Emerging from the Chinese Church

Emerging Culture & Chinese Born Canadian Christians | August 19, 2008

So my boss asked me to share in staff chapel where most of the pastors, at my unusually large chinese megachurch, just share some spiritual insight.  I decided to just say what was on my heart via a PRESENTATION on Emerging Culture & CBC Christians.  I wanted the pastors at the church to see what was affecting the CBC Christians and why there was such a large disconnect between them and the local chinese church.

I asked a few people to pray for me and I presented many things.  I largely borrowed a lot of emerging culture info from Dan Kimball from “They Like Jesus but Not the Church” and Tim Keller’s article on Post-Everythings, but I also shared my own insight towards why the emerging culture just simply did not connect to the traditional model church.

Surpringly…  MANY of the pastors thanked me afterwards.  I don’t know if it was because they were just expecting the regular “sharing” but got a boatload of info about emerging culture instead, but ya, there was certainly a different “glint” in their eyes!  Now, there are even email chains going around about continuing the discussion and presenting it to higher levels of leadership.

You know what?…  Maybe I’ve just become a really big pessimist but I don’t think much will come out of this.  

I think it’s been so long since I’ve heard anybody making strides in this area…  I just feel like I’m just going to get my hopes up just to get shot down or that this is just going to be forgotten soon…

Y’know, on the flip side, I’ve encouraged some people in my own ministry (worship ministry) to seek church membership at our church…  and surprise, surprise… the membership class made them feel even WORSE about the direction of the church.

I just feel like it’s such a losing cause…  but at the same time, I don’t want to split the generations up just so we can have it “our way”.  I just don’t know what to go for…

…ok maybe I do know what I WANT, but what does GOD want…  For now, I just want to follow Jesus with others who want to go on that journey with Him too…  is that too much to ask?  I’m all for being missional…  I just want to start being missional with brothers and sisters as well, not just those who call themselves “Christians” but those who FOLLOW CHRIST.


…throw me a bone God, please…



  1. great post man, i totally hear you bro. and i hear you’re playing at my show this sunday! should be a great time!

    Comment by Lon — August 21, 2008 @ 3:15 am

  2. yeah that is tough tough tough. Paradigm shift doesn’t come easy… usually it doesn’t come at all until the next generation. Once it does come, new truth will be revealed and another paradigm shift will be required. Its a journey toward the heart of God.

    Comment by randplaty — August 24, 2008 @ 4:36 am

  3. […] | Sep 03rd 2008 Tonight, I just want to blog quickly (before I pass out) about this situation in my past post about my presentation on Emerging CBC Christian culture has actually become a larger dialogue in my […]

    Pingback by Desperate Hope In Desperate Times « Emerging from the Chinese Church — September 3, 2008 @ 5:51 am

  4. Don’t lose hope. A small group of obc pastors, would-be-pastors/ministers is with you.

    I, for one, is trying to effect some changes in the N. American Chinese church community. I m an obc pastor, who is trying to bring the postmodern challenges into the obc churches. It is hard, and I already run into some roadblocks, but I am still trying…

    Comment by gee lowe — September 5, 2008 @ 7:11 am

  5. Interesting

    Comment by look at this web-site — July 31, 2013 @ 8:11 am

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